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	<title>Comments on: MFA: Paradise or Ponzi Scheme?</title>
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		<title>By: martindemadrid</title>
		<link>http://donnatrussell.com/2008/07/29/mfa-paradise-or-ponzi-scheme/#comment-1766</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Apr 2010 19:22:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Although you are writing about MFA programs in writing, and just touched on visual arts MFAs, I think what you said also applies to Drawing and Painting MFA programs (and to the BFA programs as the carnival barker getting the suckers into the tent to see the freaks).  

Now, it turns out that what was said about &quot;shop class&quot; has great relevance because, at least in visual arts, it is possible to at least make a living -- and a good one at that -- in certain areas such as game design and films.  My dreams of becoming the next Lucian Freud aside, I think maybe if recently-graduated writers broaden their ideas about what is acceptable to do with their skills for a living one can, at least, pay the rent and be able to concentrate on where their real passion lies.  Maybe you won&#039;t be the next Salinger, but at least you will be able to write.

The question, at least in visual arts, is whether a masters degree will add anything to those two goals (of earning a living and making art).  From what I have seen in my discipline, most employers are more interested in whether you can produce what they need than what letters you put after your name.

At any rate, it is something which needs to be looked at, thought about and talked about too.  Thank you for bringing up the subject.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Although you are writing about MFA programs in writing, and just touched on visual arts MFAs, I think what you said also applies to Drawing and Painting MFA programs (and to the BFA programs as the carnival barker getting the suckers into the tent to see the freaks).  </p>
<p>Now, it turns out that what was said about &#8220;shop class&#8221; has great relevance because, at least in visual arts, it is possible to at least make a living &#8212; and a good one at that &#8212; in certain areas such as game design and films.  My dreams of becoming the next Lucian Freud aside, I think maybe if recently-graduated writers broaden their ideas about what is acceptable to do with their skills for a living one can, at least, pay the rent and be able to concentrate on where their real passion lies.  Maybe you won&#8217;t be the next Salinger, but at least you will be able to write.</p>
<p>The question, at least in visual arts, is whether a masters degree will add anything to those two goals (of earning a living and making art).  From what I have seen in my discipline, most employers are more interested in whether you can produce what they need than what letters you put after your name.</p>
<p>At any rate, it is something which needs to be looked at, thought about and talked about too.  Thank you for bringing up the subject.</p>
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		<title>By: Kelly Barth</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 18:37:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I saw someone cry in a workshop in my own mostly awful MFA tenure. (Thank goodness I was in a beautiful part of the country.) This poor thing did the thing we all dreaded, and she never received honest comments again. But the &quot;honest&quot; comments in my MFA program came predominantly from a tiny little man with a huge hair mostly on one side of his head (think Dickens), tiny horrifying fingernails, and a withered soul. 

A visiting writer white-South African from hell once held up her hand in the middle of making me read a piece I had so recently extruded (she wanted fresh work) it was still a funny color and said, &quot;Stop! This sounds like a young-adult novel that isn&#039;t working.&quot; I went home and sat under an afghan and watched a Brady Bunch marathon.

I thought I had a mentor from the program (another visiting writer who advised me to send her my work because it was really good), but it took me so long to recover the confidence to send her something, she&#039;d forgotten who I was.

MFA programs? I don&#039;t recommend them. Just read and write.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I saw someone cry in a workshop in my own mostly awful MFA tenure. (Thank goodness I was in a beautiful part of the country.) This poor thing did the thing we all dreaded, and she never received honest comments again. But the &#8220;honest&#8221; comments in my MFA program came predominantly from a tiny little man with a huge hair mostly on one side of his head (think Dickens), tiny horrifying fingernails, and a withered soul. </p>
<p>A visiting writer white-South African from hell once held up her hand in the middle of making me read a piece I had so recently extruded (she wanted fresh work) it was still a funny color and said, &#8220;Stop! This sounds like a young-adult novel that isn&#8217;t working.&#8221; I went home and sat under an afghan and watched a Brady Bunch marathon.</p>
<p>I thought I had a mentor from the program (another visiting writer who advised me to send her my work because it was really good), but it took me so long to recover the confidence to send her something, she&#8217;d forgotten who I was.</p>
<p>MFA programs? I don&#8217;t recommend them. Just read and write.</p>
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		<title>By: Lis</title>
		<link>http://donnatrussell.com/2008/07/29/mfa-paradise-or-ponzi-scheme/#comment-62</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 18:34:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Just a note to say I am really enjoying your blog, your voice, and the depth and thought in your entries.  Wandered over for the MFA post (I myself have applied twice, to no avail, and now am reconsidering altogether after taking workshop after workshop and seeing how random and strange and often gimmicky it is), but continuing to read!

Cheers!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just a note to say I am really enjoying your blog, your voice, and the depth and thought in your entries.  Wandered over for the MFA post (I myself have applied twice, to no avail, and now am reconsidering altogether after taking workshop after workshop and seeing how random and strange and often gimmicky it is), but continuing to read!</p>
<p>Cheers!</p>
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		<title>By: donnatrussell</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 21:31:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[:::::::waving:::::: at Sharon and Pamela  :)  thanks]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>:::::::waving:::::: at Sharon and Pamela  :)  thanks</p>
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		<title>By: donnatrussell</title>
		<link>http://donnatrussell.com/2008/07/29/mfa-paradise-or-ponzi-scheme/#comment-60</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 20:34:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I believe it was, conepuppet! Many thanks. And welcome.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe it was, conepuppet! Many thanks. And welcome.</p>
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